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<@phinnaeus> I don't know about Australia, but in Poland, on Easter and Christmass, I can easily believe there would be no single bakery open in the whole country.

Also, it was before google maps, so they couldn't just google nearest open bakeries. It might as well have been "nearest open bakery they were aware of". Funny how modern tech made the terms "closest open" and "closest known open" virtually the same.

<@phinnaeus> In the state of Victoria, Good Friday is one of the two-and-a-half restricted trading days where shops aren’t allowed to open, except for a few categories, and, simplifying, small businesses: <https://business.vic.gov.au/business-information/public-holi...>.

(In practice, almost all bakeries will be small enough they could open, but I think most won’t.)

I know South Australia has even more restrictions about when businesses can open, legal and customary. I imagine Western Australia to be more like South Australia in such ways than like Victoria, but I’ve not been there and don’t really know.

And that’s these days. Back in the mid ’80s, I’m almost surprised there was a single bakery open in the entire country.

<@phinnaeus> I haven't lived in Australia in many years so I don't know what it's like now, but back in the '80s when the first Rotto Bun Run happened I have no doubt that most businesses in Perth would have been closed for Good Friday. To hear the story of why the one on Rottnest was open you might have to fly there yourself :)

Bet the fuel was cheap back then too!

<@phinnaeus> We no longer require a bun crisis to lodge this flight plan. Plenty of flights are made to Rotto for a sausage roll, any time of the year.

<@ssl232> Not really for most small airports. The plane is in the $ 200 per hour range, so a 1 hour out and 1 hour back flight is $ 400 in rental and fuel. The landing fee is more like $10-20 and often free if you buy fuel there.

Only big airports with mandatory ground handling are expensive to land at.

<@ssl232> And indeed, the burger itself.

<@ssl232> Mostly fuel

<@paulpauper> Renting a Toyota Camry is also cheaper than hiring a tour bus with driver

<@paulpauper> A private jet is a jet, where a Cessna 172 is a small unpressurised prop plane that dawdles along at 1/3 the speed and is uncomfortable to be a passenger in…

<@paulpauper> True but in most cases you'd be better off hopping in the car and booking it down the freeway to wherever you're going. Way cheaper and more reliable and honestly maybe faster depending on how far the airport is and how safe your pre-flight is.

<@paulpauper> The price of the jet includes the cost of 2 crew to operate it and the organization around it to arrange everything for dispatch. The Cessna price listed here is for only the plane and fuel.

<@paulpauper> a Cessna engine costs maybe $30,000 to overhaul (every 1800 hours or so)

a Gulstream G650 engine costs maybe $4,500,000 to overhaul every 10,000 hours. Times 2.

a Cessna 172 sips about 8 gallons per hour.

A G650 guzzles about 500 gallons of fuel per hour

jet fuel is a little cheaper than avgas though

<@paulpauper> Makes sense. A bicycle is probably a 20th of the price of a limo to rent.

<@paulpauper> A private jet comes with a crew and a pilot. This is a plane you have to fly yourself.

<@djmips> Finally, we managed to progress enough as a civilization that you no longer need to fly somewhere to get a $100 hamburger.

<@djmips> There’s a number of “boutique burger” places around here, where the burgers start at $20, and most diners charge $16 for a normal burger. I hear that NYC can get downright crazy.

<@djmips> There's this $5000 hamburger: https://www.de-daltons.com/the-golden-boy/

<@djmips> Went to betty burger in santa cruz and 2 burgers were close to $100 with the in-burger-purchases (on-burger onion rings for example)

<@w10-1> Only a tiny minority of pilots own the aircraft they fly, and all the context I've heard of $100 hamburgers in is when someone needs to log a certain number of flight hours to keep their license current (in the UK you need to on average do a flight once every two months to keep your license)

<@w10-1> The economics are more that an entrepreneur rents the airplane to several enthusiasts in the area, each of whom enjoy flying and each would pay $100/hr for the thrill of flying.

But sure, there are also sometimes rich people and/or hyperenthusiasts who buy their own planes at great cost.

There are similarly people who enjoy car racing, horse riding, sailing, train journeys, and give excuses for their itineries but it's really to spend time on their hobby.

<@w10-1> In Western Australia a number of people have aircraft for a variety of reasons, let's assume you have a working aircraft that's break even on costs wrt whatever business you run with that aircraft.

The $100 refers to the additional cost of doing something extra over and above.

People here also have garage built no quite aircraft purely for the fun of it and the challenge of the build:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=ejG5bLdJxfI

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ILbQHnHPnY

<@w10-1> I think we should eat the rich as much as the next guy, but a handful of aviation enthusiasts spending too much of their money on airplanes doesn't really break through the noise for me. We got bigger fish to fry.

<@w10-1> The plane, upkeep, and hourly rate cost a fair bit more than that these days